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		<title>By: Muddling Along Mummy</title>
		<link>http://www.fertilefeminism.com/pregnancy-and-birth/the-public-policing-of-pregnancy/comment-page-1/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>Muddling Along Mummy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The case of Samantha Burton is one I particularly identify with - I was put on bed rest whilst pregnant with Babygirl and whilst i was doing all I could to protect the baby it was with my consent and not whilst forced to do something

Whilst pregnant I hated that I was policed - it was my informed choice to drink, eat cheese, eat rare meat based on what I&#039;d read - not the choice of the uninformed to tell me what they thought I should do
.-= Muddling Along Mummy´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://muddlingalongmummy.blogspot.com/2010/01/being-less-loved-parent.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Being the less loved parent&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The case of Samantha Burton is one I particularly identify with &#8211; I was put on bed rest whilst pregnant with Babygirl and whilst i was doing all I could to protect the baby it was with my consent and not whilst forced to do something</p>
<p>Whilst pregnant I hated that I was policed &#8211; it was my informed choice to drink, eat cheese, eat rare meat based on what I&#8217;d read &#8211; not the choice of the uninformed to tell me what they thought I should do<br />
.-= Muddling Along Mummy´s last blog ..<a href="http://muddlingalongmummy.blogspot.com/2010/01/being-less-loved-parent.html" rel="nofollow">Being the less loved parent</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.fertilefeminism.com/pregnancy-and-birth/the-public-policing-of-pregnancy/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Capital Mom - I agree that 40% is unacceptable. It&#039;s horrible, really. And yes, some people do just ignore you if you&#039;re pregnant because they don&#039;t want to be the one to get up. Good on you for asking though, I know too many women who would just suffer in silence for fear of appearing rude or &#039;entitled.&#039;

@Mothership - Looking forward to seeing this post of which you speak! 

@lovepeaceohana - Very well said. It&#039;s all about trusting women. 

@jen - Yep, exactly. And it&#039;s a very frightening prospect! 

@Heather - Yes, one has to wonder if the stress of being held prisoner didn&#039;t perhaps contribute to her baby&#039;s death, because obviously the &#039;bed rest&#039; didn&#039;t work. 

@Irene - I don&#039;t know about &#039;priority&#039; but certainly &#039;consideration&#039;. 

@Lost in France - Yes, bodily autonomy includes pregnant women smoking. We can&#039;t FORCE someone to stop smoking, only give them all of the information, support and resources to help them quit. Same goes for pregnant women. 

I disagree with your statement that women want equality but then get upset when we are treated the same. This is a common argument brought up in anti-feminist conversations. A lot of people seem to think that feminism can be simplified down to the buzz words of Choice and Equality, meaning that any choice that any woman makes is feminist (merely because she made it freely) and that obtaining equality with men means we must be treated exactly the same in every circumstance. Neither are true. Feminism is about seeking freedom from sex-based oppression, not women seeking to be exactly like men. 

As for cesareans being lifesaving, of course they can be! No one disputes that. But 40% is not lifesaving, it&#039;s harmful -- to babies, to mothers, to everyone. The WHO recommends a rate no higher than 10-15% to keep infant and maternal mortality rates at their lowest. Doubling and even tripling that rate does not prevent more deaths...it causes them. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Capital Mom &#8211; I agree that 40% is unacceptable. It&#8217;s horrible, really. And yes, some people do just ignore you if you&#8217;re pregnant because they don&#8217;t want to be the one to get up. Good on you for asking though, I know too many women who would just suffer in silence for fear of appearing rude or &#8216;entitled.&#8217;</p>
<p>@Mothership &#8211; Looking forward to seeing this post of which you speak! </p>
<p>@lovepeaceohana &#8211; Very well said. It&#8217;s all about trusting women. </p>
<p>@jen &#8211; Yep, exactly. And it&#8217;s a very frightening prospect! </p>
<p>@Heather &#8211; Yes, one has to wonder if the stress of being held prisoner didn&#8217;t perhaps contribute to her baby&#8217;s death, because obviously the &#8216;bed rest&#8217; didn&#8217;t work. </p>
<p>@Irene &#8211; I don&#8217;t know about &#8216;priority&#8217; but certainly &#8216;consideration&#8217;. </p>
<p>@Lost in France &#8211; Yes, bodily autonomy includes pregnant women smoking. We can&#8217;t FORCE someone to stop smoking, only give them all of the information, support and resources to help them quit. Same goes for pregnant women. </p>
<p>I disagree with your statement that women want equality but then get upset when we are treated the same. This is a common argument brought up in anti-feminist conversations. A lot of people seem to think that feminism can be simplified down to the buzz words of Choice and Equality, meaning that any choice that any woman makes is feminist (merely because she made it freely) and that obtaining equality with men means we must be treated exactly the same in every circumstance. Neither are true. Feminism is about seeking freedom from sex-based oppression, not women seeking to be exactly like men. </p>
<p>As for cesareans being lifesaving, of course they can be! No one disputes that. But 40% is not lifesaving, it&#8217;s harmful &#8212; to babies, to mothers, to everyone. The WHO recommends a rate no higher than 10-15% to keep infant and maternal mortality rates at their lowest. Doubling and even tripling that rate does not prevent more deaths&#8230;it causes them.</p>
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		<title>By: Previously (Very) Lost in France</title>
		<link>http://www.fertilefeminism.com/pregnancy-and-birth/the-public-policing-of-pregnancy/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Previously (Very) Lost in France</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During both my pregnancies, I ate and drank exactly what I liked and had two very healthy babies as a result. I believed in my ability to know what is best for me and my unborn child and was fortunate to find people who respected my wishes. However, if we are to support a woman&#039;s right to make her own choices, this would have to extend to smoking in pregnancy too, wouldn&#039;t it?  I wonder, though, how much we have contributed to this situation ourselves. We demand to be treated equally, which is absolutely right, but then some times when we are, we don&#039;t like it.  People often can&#039;t do right for doing wrong.The 40% caesarian rate is high, but how much of it is caused by people suing hospitals when they got it wrong leading to this fear of litigation that has undoubtedly driven up caesarean rates. However, my biggest peeve is the demonising of caesareans, without which both my children would have died. Just a few thoughts to throw into the pot. Very interesting post and I&#039;ll look forward to seeing how this blog develops. Good luck!
.-= Previously (Very) Lost in France´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://homeiswherethemarmiteis.blogspot.com/2010/01/is-it-genetic.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Is it genetic?&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During both my pregnancies, I ate and drank exactly what I liked and had two very healthy babies as a result. I believed in my ability to know what is best for me and my unborn child and was fortunate to find people who respected my wishes. However, if we are to support a woman&#8217;s right to make her own choices, this would have to extend to smoking in pregnancy too, wouldn&#8217;t it?  I wonder, though, how much we have contributed to this situation ourselves. We demand to be treated equally, which is absolutely right, but then some times when we are, we don&#8217;t like it.  People often can&#8217;t do right for doing wrong.The 40% caesarian rate is high, but how much of it is caused by people suing hospitals when they got it wrong leading to this fear of litigation that has undoubtedly driven up caesarean rates. However, my biggest peeve is the demonising of caesareans, without which both my children would have died. Just a few thoughts to throw into the pot. Very interesting post and I&#8217;ll look forward to seeing how this blog develops. Good luck!<br />
.-= Previously (Very) Lost in France´s last blog ..<a href="http://homeiswherethemarmiteis.blogspot.com/2010/01/is-it-genetic.html" rel="nofollow">Is it genetic?</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Irene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agreed, priority should be given to the mommies. They are also loyal customer and public consumer who enjoy the same treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agreed, priority should be given to the mommies. They are also loyal customer and public consumer who enjoy the same treatment.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It used to drive me totally insane how I was suddenly considered to have the intellect of a child and needed asking &#039;are you sure&#039; and &#039;so you think you should be doing that?&#039; over food and exercise choices.  

the second time around with a boisterous, clingy, 2 year old to look after at the same time I found even more annoying.  i couldn&#039;t possibly be strong enough to push a wheelbarrow of hay to a field for my horses but carry a 10kg child around half the day was fine.  

The story about the woman confined to her bed is deeply disturbing.  Taking away a persons rights like that and holding them prisoner, which in no way has been proven to help and I&#039;m sure the added stress was very detrimental at this time, is preposterous.  Utterly appalling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It used to drive me totally insane how I was suddenly considered to have the intellect of a child and needed asking &#8216;are you sure&#8217; and &#8216;so you think you should be doing that?&#8217; over food and exercise choices.  </p>
<p>the second time around with a boisterous, clingy, 2 year old to look after at the same time I found even more annoying.  i couldn&#8217;t possibly be strong enough to push a wheelbarrow of hay to a field for my horses but carry a 10kg child around half the day was fine.  </p>
<p>The story about the woman confined to her bed is deeply disturbing.  Taking away a persons rights like that and holding them prisoner, which in no way has been proven to help and I&#8217;m sure the added stress was very detrimental at this time, is preposterous.  Utterly appalling.</p>
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		<title>By: jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is the problem with the growing pro-life movement.  that fetus has more and more legal rights... which means the mother automatically has fewer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is the problem with the growing pro-life movement.  that fetus has more and more legal rights&#8230; which means the mother automatically has fewer.</p>
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		<title>By: lovepeaceohana</title>
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		<dc:creator>lovepeaceohana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never really know what to say to things like this. Frothing incoherently with rage doesn&#039;t seem productive, because I like to believe that the people who voice their concerns are trying to be sensitive to a mother(-to-be)&#039;s needs, but sometimes the patronization is just so palpable and infuriating. When I was pregnant with my first child I had some people (mostly friends and family) ask if I would switch to decaf, but a patient explanation that caffeine in moderation would not be harmful to my growing babe was good enough for them - and now that I&#039;m pregnant with my second, they generally trust me to make my choices.

That&#039;s what I think is largely missing for most of these conversations: trust that women can and will make reasonable choices for themselves in their families. It&#039;s writ large throughout the struggle for reproductive justice and I have a feeling we will make no headway in any of our endeavours unless we can first convince the rest of our society that women are indeed rational, thinking human beings capable of and entitled to sound, informed decision-making.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never really know what to say to things like this. Frothing incoherently with rage doesn&#8217;t seem productive, because I like to believe that the people who voice their concerns are trying to be sensitive to a mother(-to-be)&#8217;s needs, but sometimes the patronization is just so palpable and infuriating. When I was pregnant with my first child I had some people (mostly friends and family) ask if I would switch to decaf, but a patient explanation that caffeine in moderation would not be harmful to my growing babe was good enough for them &#8211; and now that I&#8217;m pregnant with my second, they generally trust me to make my choices.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I think is largely missing for most of these conversations: trust that women can and will make reasonable choices for themselves in their families. It&#8217;s writ large throughout the struggle for reproductive justice and I have a feeling we will make no headway in any of our endeavours unless we can first convince the rest of our society that women are indeed rational, thinking human beings capable of and entitled to sound, informed decision-making.</p>
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		<title>By: mothership</title>
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		<dc:creator>mothership</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just found your blog and love it. Will be back to read and comment further but have to dash to fetch Thing One. Very glad, though to have been given kick up arse reminder about post I have been meaning to write since my return from UK recently.
Keep up good work (and see you on Twitter)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just found your blog and love it. Will be back to read and comment further but have to dash to fetch Thing One. Very glad, though to have been given kick up arse reminder about post I have been meaning to write since my return from UK recently.<br />
Keep up good work (and see you on Twitter)</p>
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		<title>By: Capital Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Capital Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The example you provide is awful. And a 40% c-section rate is unacceptable.
Maybe things are different in Ottawa but the number of times I got onto a bus pregnant and had to ask someone to give me a seat for my 20 minute ride was absurd. People would just look away until someone else offered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The example you provide is awful. And a 40% c-section rate is unacceptable.<br />
Maybe things are different in Ottawa but the number of times I got onto a bus pregnant and had to ask someone to give me a seat for my 20 minute ride was absurd. People would just look away until someone else offered.</p>
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